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October 2009: Interfering

October 2009

We started the show with a reminder about Jodcast Live on 21st November at 1pm. If you haven't already booked a place, let us know as soon as possible. In the show we have an interview with Robert Laing about interferometers and ALMA, and we talked to Willem Baan about interference in radio astronomy. As ever we have the latest astronomical news, what you can see in the October night sky, and your feedback.

The News

In the news this month:

Interferometry

Jen and Roy interviewed Robert Laing (ESO) about radio interferometry and the new instruments coming online soon including ALMA in Chile.

Interference

Jen and Roy interviewed Willem Baan (ASTRON) about radio interference and protecting the radio bands.

The Night Sky

Ian Morison tells us what we can see in the night sky during October 2009.

Northern Hemisphere

During the mid-evening in October, fairly high in the south is Pegasus, the Winged Horse. The top left-hand star of the square of Pegasus is the star Alpha Andromedae from which you can find the Andromeda Galaxy, M31. Between Cassiopeia and Perseus is a rather lovely region of sky containing the Double Cluster which is very nice in binoculars and even better in a small telescope. Perseus also contains the star Algol which is an eclipsing binary which changes its brightness every few days or so. Below Pegasus is the head of one of the fish in Pisces and just below that is the planet Uranus. Down to the left of Pisces is Cetus the whale and to the right is Aquarius. Up to the right of Pegasus are the constellations of Cygus the Swan, Lyra the Lyre and Aquila the Eagle with their bright stars making up the Summer Triangle. Just down to the left of Cygnus is the tiny constellation of Delphinus, The Dolphin.

The Planets

Highlights

Southern Hemisphere

Towards the north you can see Cygnus low above the horizon with Lyra to the north west. Over in the north-eastern sky is Pegasus. The circlet of Pisces is well visible so a good chance of finding Uranus. Higher up towards the zenith is the wonderful constellation of Sagittarius. Looking south you've got the Milky Way stretching from the south over towards the south west. East of south you can see the Large Magellanic Cloud. Just to the lower right is the lovely region named the Tarantula Nebula. Looking up towards the zenith from the LMC is the Small Magellanic Cloud with nearby globular cluster 47 Tucanae. Fairly low in the south west is Centaurus A.

Odds and Ends

The upcoming MoonWatch will be on the 24th October - 1st November and follows the international event named Galilean Nights.

NASA's LCROSS is due to impact the Moon on October 9th at 12:30 pm BST/7:30 am EDT/4:30 am PDT. It will impact the crater Cabeus. The Moon will be very low as seen from the UK so it isn't best positioned but you might see something with a telescope. Warning: make sure that you don't point binoculars or a telescope at the Sun.

In the forum, Stella did some research on the object near the ISS mentioned in Ask an Astronomer and Jodatheoak has a picture they took of the ISS passing overhead on Flickr.

On Twitter we were sent a DM saying "Please instruct your readers that there is no such element as ALU-MIN-KNEE-UM. It makes you sound ignorant. I still like JodCast." Of course, in Britain we do pronounce it that way because we spell it differently to the US. According to wikipedia "The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) adopted aluminium as the standard international name for the element in 1990, but three years later recognized aluminum as an acceptable variant...IUPAC officially prefers the use of aluminium in its internal publications". Thanks to @Knusper2000 for pointing out that the new instrument on Hubble is called wide field camera 3 not wide field planetary camera 3.

Show Credits

News:Megan Argo
Noticias en Español - Octubre 2009:Lizette Ramirez
Interview:Robert Laing, Roy Smits and Jen Gupta
Interview:Willem Baan, Roy Smits and Jen Gupta
Night sky this month:Ian Morison
Presenters:David Ault, Jen Gupta and Stuart Lowe
Editor:Sarah Bryan, Adam Avison and Stuart Lowe
Intro:David Ault
Lord Dracula:Bruce Busby
Jennifer Harker:Helen Cashin
Segment voice:Danny Wong-McSweeney
Website:Stuart Lowe
Cover art:Water seen on the Moon by the Moon Mineralogy Mapper onboard India's Chandrayaan-1 Credit: ISRO/NASA/JPL-Caltech/USGS/Brown U.

Comments

  • Comment by Stuart Lowe on Oct 02 2009:

    Any comments regarding the October show should go here.

  • Comment by stella on Oct 03 2009:

    Tell Ian that the Orionids enter the atmosphere at
    rather faster than 41 km. per hour. At that velocity Usain Bolt could "catch a falling star".

  • Comment by Stuart Lowe on Oct 03 2009:

    Stella, are you sure you wouldn't like to have a listen before we go live so that mistakes like this can be caught?

  • Comment by RapidEye on Oct 05 2009:

    LOL at Stuart - he needs a Stella-check! =-)
    Good show, enjoyed it and the shoutout!

  • Comment by jr_edge on Oct 06 2009:

    Clearly a day for the pedants... In the piece on Planck, absolute zero now -273 Kelvin!! Now that would be cold.... Good interesting show.

  • Comment by Megan Argo on Oct 07 2009:

    Oooops! You're quite right jr_edge, it should of course be -273 degrees Celcius.

  • Comment by Jodatheoak on Oct 07 2009:

    Great show Joders...are there going to be any webcams viewing the LCROSS impact?
    LOL - Is that stuart getting possessive?

  • Comment by Jen Gupta on Oct 07 2009:

    The LCROSS impact is going to be covered on NASA TV:

    A live NASA TV Broadcast is planned for the LCROSS impacts starting at 6:15 a.m. EDT/3:15 a.m. PDT, Oct. 9, on NASA TV and www.nasa.gov/ntv.

    The 1.5 hour broadcast includes:

    * Live footage from spacecraft camera
    * Real-time telemetry based animation
    * Views of LCROSS Mission and Science Operations
    * Broadcast commentary with expert guests
    * Prepared video segments
    * Views of the public impact viewing event at NASA Ames
    * Possible live footage from the University of Hawaii, 88-inch telescope on Mauna Kea.

    Unfortunately I think I'm going to be on the road when it happens :-(

  • Comment by Jodatheoak on Oct 07 2009:

    I'll watch it for you Jen ;-)

  • Comment by EarthUnit on Oct 09 2009:

    Re: LCROSS impact on nasa tv

    Was it me or did they at 30 seconds to impact show a black cat in a coal mine on the wrong side of an event horizon with the lights turned off :-~

    Any one seen any images of the plume yet ?

    PS happy retirement Ian, though glad to hear you will be keeping busy JODing & keeping "The Night Sky" web site going.

  • Comment by Megan Argo on Oct 10 2009:

    Well here's what the Multiple Mirror Telescope at Mt Hopkins saw: http://www.mmto.org/lcross/
    Did they see a plume? Have a look and see what you think.

    Sadly, the Hubble didn't see much it seems: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/26/full/
    but there is more analysis to be done on the spectra from STIS which they were hoping would show signatures of OH.

  • Comment by EarthUnit on Oct 10 2009:

    Thanks for posting Megan, seems my old eyes ( or more likely what they are connected to)
    can't see it :-( I will have a couple of cups of coffee and have another look.
    Thanks again for getting back.

  • Comment by Jodatheoak on Oct 10 2009:

    It wasnt very Hollywood was it?
    I wonder what we can throw at the moon now? Bruce willis!
    And would the event be called Moon lighting...Sorry couldn't resist ;-)

  • Comment by rvp on Oct 16 2009:

    Hi, I had a tech qt. re. the ALMA radio telescopes. The individual telescopes are designed to be moved from pad to pad, so how are they linked (power and data) to the pad and how are the pads linked back to the Tech Building? I don't think they would be using standard fiber-optic ethernet cables.

    Thanks.

  • Comment by Megan Argo on Oct 16 2009:

    Hi rvp,

    The ALMA antennas are able to be moved from pad to pad, as are the antennas of the VLA in New Mexico and those of the Compact Array in New South Wales. In all cases, once each antenna is placed, various cables must be connected for power, data and so on. In the case of ALMA, the incoming astronomical signals are passed from the receivers (the "front end") to digitisers and encoders (the "back end") and the data are then transferred by fibre optic cable at 120GB/s from each antenna to the correlator which combines the signals. Whether the fibres are off the shelf or not I'm not sure. As always in radio astronomy, you want whatever medium you transfer your weak signals through to be as low loss as possible.

    If you're interested in finding out more about ALMA, check out the technology section of the ALMA website here: http://www.almaobservatory.org/en/about-alma/science-and-technology/technology?task=view&limit=1&start=3
    and this picture of the ALMA patch panel!
    http://www.eso.org/gallery/v/ESOPIA/ALMA/ALMA_AOS_Mar2009-1815.tif.html

    Megan

  • Comment by rvp on Oct 16 2009:

    Thanks for the reply, Megan, but I've already been to the first link and didn't find a lot of detail there.

    The science is of course interesting, but the engineering is too. Building a road at 5200m for the monstrous dish transporters must've been challenging enough. In addition, you'd have to lay the power, data and other signals cables to the pads. And, I'm assuming that they had to build a power station too, to keep it all going. Which means hauling fuel up to the facility on a continuous basis.

    I don't know about the VLA or the CA in NSW, but they could, in a pinch, be powered from the local grid, but this is probably unlikely given the grid's unreliability.

    This is a general question now: how're the other remote telescope sites powered? For that matter does Jodrell Bank run off the local power grid? :)

  • Comment by Megan Argo on Oct 16 2009:

    Hi again rvp. The engineering definitely is very interesting in itself! Even the antenna transporters are quite impressive bits of machinery - standard hydraulic systems don't work at that altitude so they had to be very carefully designed. They do have their own power station I believe, at the "low" site rather than with the telescope I think.
    Popular Mechanics did a story on the ALMA construction last year:
    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4283382.html
    and if you want gory details, have a look at the ALMA memo series:
    http://www.alma.nrao.edu/memos/

    I know that the Jodrell telescopes (including the MERLIN outstations) run off the grid most of the time. There are generators at each site though, to provide backup power in case there is a mains failure. They wont run for ever (not without someone there to refuel them!), but it's enough to stow the telescope safely if the mains does go off. Parkes in NSW is similar, and I think most existing telescopes are probably run this way. Obviously this isn't practical for telescopes in really remote places such as ALMA. It's one question the SKA will have to solve as well, and the engineers doing the costings are investigating alternative energy as a source of power.

    Megan

  • Comment by Stuart Lowe on Oct 16 2009:

    I've been talking to people in the ALMA Regional Centre here in Manchester and they say similar things to Megan. Just to add to what Megan said, each pad has fibres necessary for radio astronomy data, telescope control and phase referencing going back to the central operations building where the correlator sits. The cables are buried about 1m into the ground to keep them temperature stable. The telescope connection is made via optical connectors in a plenum chamber underneath the telescope. Obviously each telescope has to be disconnected and then connected up again as it is moved - this also include power connections.

    The fibre optic cables use 12 separate colours which each send constant streams of data at 10 Gbps down each fibre. That gives a total of 120 Gbps raw data stream as Megan said. The protocol isn't so different from ethernet and it is suggested that the next generation will probably use ethernet! I'm told that each of the channels is effectively sending 8 Gbps of astronomy data.

    I hope that helps.

  • Comment by rvp on Oct 16 2009:

    > if you want gory details, have a look at the ALMA memo series:
    > http://www.alma.nrao.edu/memos/
    >
    That looks like what I want, Megan. Thanks.

    > I know that the Jodrell telescopes (including the MERLIN outstations) run off the grid
    > most of the time.
    >
    Interesting. I would have thought that you'd need more than the standard 220V 3-phase AC to power the motors that orient the antennas.

  • Comment by rvp on Oct 16 2009:

    I see that the topic was updated just before I replied.

    Thanks Stuart. That's 8Gbps of data from *each* telescope, right? Serious number-crunching for sure...

  • Comment by Stuart Lowe on Oct 17 2009:

    Actually, as I understood it, that's 8 Gbps of astronomy for each of the 12 streams which go down each fibre! So I make that about 96 Gbps per telescope. Now that is a lot of data.

  • Comment by rvp on Oct 17 2009:

    You're right. Thanks for the correction.

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